January Jones sharing COUNTERINTELLIGENCE SPY speaking out with Pete Turner

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Who is January Jones. She is
not a young, beautiful, talented

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actress on Madman. She is not
an older, gorgeous exotic dancer from The

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Johnny Carson Show. She is an
author and she wrote Thou Show Not Why

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the Eleventh Commandment that rates number one
at Amazon dot com. She is a

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reality TV golf personality with World High
Stakes Golf televised on hd Net. She

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is a huge and why knowlogist expert. She is your featured host today on

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January Jones sharing success stories. So
sit back, relax, and get ready

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to laugh and listen to Ms Jones
with her eclectic roster of guests. As

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you learn life's lessons. These stories
plus sharing equal success. Welcome and remember

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beware because you are entering the no
whining world of January Jones. Hello everyone,

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I hope you're having a terrific day. I'm January Jones, and i'd

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like to welcome you to our podcast
today. You know, in life,

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we all wear many hats, and
today I'm wearing my gold glitter hat because

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it. We'll be selling books and
products with more info to come. Now,

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for my listeners, let me ask
you a question. Okay, what

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do you know about counter intelligence?
Yeah? Probably not much like most of

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us. Tell me. Have you
ever met an actual counter intelligence agent?

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Yeah? Sounds pretty interesting. Would
you like to meet someone now who can

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tell us about his experiences as an
agent? Can you imagine what it would

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be like for the Taliban to request
a meeting with you by name? No?

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I cannot. Also, would you
like to hear some predictions based on

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his first hand experiences regard Ukraine and
also the Russia conflict, which is on

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everyone's mind these days. If you
can answer yes or maybe to any of

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these questions, then you are in
the right place. And I'd like to

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welcome you to January Jones sharing success
stories. Actually it's senior success stories,

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and I think my guests may qualify. Now it's time to rest and relax.

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Go get some wine, get some
cheese and crackers, and join us

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in the no wine zone. Let
me tell you a little bit about my

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guest today. He has spent several
years as a counter intelligence spy for the

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United States Army, traveling to many
countries including Afghanistan, Egypt, Germany,

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Bosnia. He is a counter intelligent
spy who will speak out openly. He

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has about a thousand different stories and
a thousand different failures that he will share

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with today. These are never before
heard and unfiltered accounts directly from the front

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line while under fire and some of
the most dangerous regions of the Earth.

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He started the nonprofit International Institute for
Non Proliferation Studies i NPS. It's my

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pleasure to welcome to our podcast today. Hello and welcome Pete Turnery. Thank

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you so much, I love it. Thanks for having me on the show.

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It's been great giving a chance to
talk about all these things, and

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so he I just appreciate you take
time. Okay, I want you to

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share with our listeners where your actual
success story began, where you were born

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and raised, and share with us
who you were your early influen. Says

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sure. But before we do that, do I qualify for senior success?

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I'm fifty four? Am I in
the club or my little baby? You're

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almost there? Okay, I'm getting
there. Since i'm eighty, you're you're

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working with a real seniors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'll tell

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you. Fifty five is how you
qualify. And I'm pleased to say to

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share that I have four children who
are officially seniors and the other it was

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crazy. The other day. We
went to a movie with one of them,

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and I went to buy the tickets
because that's what mommies do, and

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I art the tickets and I said, three seniors, and it just hit

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me, kids, my kids are
now seniors. So I just I hope

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all I hope is that I don't
end up in some kind of a retirement

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home with our daughters, because it
was hard enough to rage teenagers, and

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that I don't think I want to
live with seniors. You know, it's

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funny every time I say my daughter
is going to be twenty seven in May,

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I think, no, no,
no, that's not right. Let

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me think about this. Is she
twenty two? And I know how my

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daughter is, but just my brain
won't accept it. And then I always

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think, Like when I was twenty
about to be twenty one, I was

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like, I can't wait so I
can have this freedom of going to bars

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and all that kind of thing.
And now I'm like, pretty soon I'll

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be able to buy a trailer and
a trailer you know, like a trailer

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park for people who are fifty five
and older. I'm like, I'm almost

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there. I'm so excited to be
able to start shopping around. Yeah,

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you've got one year ago, But
I think the I think AARP it welcomes

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people once they're fifty. So yeah, you can actually sneak in before that

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too. They'll take your if you
want to subscribe that, they'll give you

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a card and let you play along. So you're right about that. I

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am in the AARP world. I
am too. Okay, let's go back

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to where were you born and let's
share your early success story. Yeah,

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so I was born in California,
in Oakland, and I grew up in

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California. I'm multi generational Californian as
well, so just as Californian as you

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can be. And I you know, my home wasn't a horrible place,

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but I didn't want to be around
my dad. He was unpredictable, dangerous,

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and so I spent a lot of
time outside of the house, which

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actually kind of served my professional purposes. I didn't realize this at the time,

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but that was one of the early
successes, was getting out of the

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house, doing things, becoming an
independent, self sufficient in those kind of

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things. There's a lot of problems
within that because I have a healthy still

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to this day, I have a
healthy appetite for rejecting authority. But I've

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kind of calmed myself over the years. But you need a lot of these

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things to be a spy. You
need to be not afraid to leave your

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hometown and go to other places.
And you know, you can be anybody.

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You can be yourself in other towns. When you're growing up, you

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know, you grew up with other
kids, like you're the awkward kid from

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third grade, fifth grade, whatever
it is. It's hard to shake that

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right, But you go to another
town, you can also just be yourself.

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And I did that a lot too. So I would go, I

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would go find girls to date in
other towns, and I played basketball and

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I was just always on the go. And I think those early moments where

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I realized it was okay to be
out and about in other areas when you're

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a kid, if you're ten miles
from home, you know that's a substantial

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difference. And so I met a
lot of different folks that way, and

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it taught me how to be able
to be a good guest. Yes,

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And I would imagine in your spy
business that you would have experience taking on

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different identities. Yeah, I mean
yes, that is a potential skill set

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and a benefit. I think more
importantly for me, I was able to

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be me and be honest about who
I was in different settings because I personally

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how I do my spying stuff as
I'm always the same dude, I'm Pete,

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the guy from California. I might
put on like, hey, I

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like to call myself Johnny a good
time, Like if you see me,

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you're gonna want to talk to me, because who's that interesting guy? Right?

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I have to do some of that, because that's part of the thing.

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But the guy you're talking to is
just an elevated version of me.

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So I'm excited because I want you
guys to feel like I'm happy to be

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there. I'm happy to be your
guest. I'm happy to talk to you

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about the things that you're fascinated by. That's really the only kind of I

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wouldn't even call it an act.
I would just say that is that I

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learned that by being a kid going
to people's houses, like hey, stay

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with us for dinner and we'll take
you home later on, you know kind

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of thing. And so all of
those things founded who I was as a

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collector. Yeah, well, it's
your persona and you're very outgoing, and

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I'm sure that that would help with
your line of work. How old were

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you, Pete when you actually joined
the ARM. I was twenty four.

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I had already graduated college. I
couldn't find a good job, and I

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had that dilemma of I don't have
enough experience to get a job, but

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can't get a job to have experience, and so I was pushing carts in

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the rain at Costco and I was
like, I have got to do something

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different. I can't seem to crack
this code. I don't mind pushing carts.

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I love pushing cards, but that's
not what I went to college for.

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And so I have to make a
change before I wake up ten years,

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you know, thinking I have to
make a change. And so I

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went from never considering the military to
being in it in a month. In

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a month, oh my gosh.
Well we're going to hear about that after

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Now, tell us you were twenty
four and one month you decided to

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go to what did you have a
revelation or some kind of experience? It

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was? It was just that,
you know, I was pushing carts in

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the ring. I have a college
degree, and I tried. I was

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trying to get into TV as a
sportscaster, and I worked really hard to

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do this and back in the nineties
and the early nineties, and the way

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you did it was you set your
tape off. And I was willing to

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start somewhere small and move up and
be broke for a while. I was

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willing to do all that, but
I couldn't even get that. I was

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at the Boist Market Bozeman, Montana, and they're like, yeah, no

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thanks, and I'm like to carry
cables, Imposeeman, I'm not good enough

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for that. Oh all right.
You know it's it's a revelation when you're

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like, Okay, I've got to
do something. I've got to do something

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else. And I was ordered to
treading water. But yeah, yeah,

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you know, I that's amazing that
you said Bozeman because I have friends Paul

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and Nancy Kane, and they were
both born there and they are Montana just

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to the core, and I think
they even have a summer home there.

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Now. Most people have not had
the experience of going to Montana. I

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was fortunate to go there as beautiful. But there's really unless you're a hunter,

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there's really not much to do,
is there. Yeah, and I'm

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not knocking Bozeman. I have a
lot of my My aunt lives in Missoula,

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and so I had connections. I
had connections to the TV industry,

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and again, no job was there
to be found. And it wasn't that

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I sucked, It's just, you
know, there were only so many jobs

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to go around, and yeah,
so I was ready to go to Bozeman,

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though, and like, that's not
where I'm from. That's, you

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know, way off, Like it's
not even close to Missoula. But I

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was willing to go there to start
my career, but there was no career

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to be had, okay. And
so you enlisted, you weren't drafted.

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They didn't aft in the nineties,
listed in the army. And where did

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you train. There's a place called
Port Watchuka, and it's it's sort of

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the spy school for the army,
and the United States military sends a lot

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of people there in general. So
I went there for my counter intelligence training

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and that was about I don't know
that it's a little more than four months.

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And in that four months you're busy
learning all of the very very basic

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things of how to be a counter
intelligence agent. So that's that's where I

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started all of the official counterintelligence stuff. Four months. Wow, what an

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experience, Okay. And I can't
believe they could teach you all of that

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in four months. It must have
been really intense, wasn't it. It

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was? You know, I was
so new and so foreign to the military.

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Everything for me, like how to
all the acronyms and all of the

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other words that. I went into
the education center one time and it was

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called the ras cons and I asked
the lady what does rascon stand for?

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It pointed on the wall to dude, his last name is Raskon. I'm

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like, oh, like that's like
like everything was a new It was a

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whole new world. So I had
to I had to learn a lot.

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So it was more about inculcating and
learning how to be in the military.

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You got to keep in mind too, I am type of personality when it

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comes to professions, and so I
AM going to find the things that you

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have to do well, and I'm
going to push hard on those things,

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which in the military, if you
stand out, if you are faster,

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if you're stronger, if you shoot
straighter, if you know more than regulations,

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that kind of thing, it makes
you a bit of a target for

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the people and they get a little
jealous of your hard work and results.

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So that is that was the biggest
lesson I had to learn, was how

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to be in the army and and
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a person who likes to compete and
I'm cocky about it, and you know,

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this is the younger version of me
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would not so much training, because
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lot of boilerplate and writing and learning
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later on, when I was self
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into the relationships that I needed to
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didn't heart my aggressiveness and eagerness was
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was seen was as like, hey, pizza jerk, you know, because

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he's running around and kicking everybody's ass
and bragging about it. Oh okay,

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okay, so you had to kind
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a little bit out of curiosity.
Were you married then or were you single?

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Single? Single? Yeah, I
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big pre request of any of the
counter intelligent agents. I think not having

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a family to deal with would be
a big plus, isn't it. Yeah,

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it's hard on a family, you
know. When people think me for

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my service, I think about my
dog, you know, And I love

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my daughter and my daughter will,
but I don't have the relationship with her

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that anybody who grew up and raised
their kid face to face everything. I

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don't have that my daughter, and
so in a lot of ways, I'm

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still getting to know how to be
your dad, you know, because I

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for a long time. So when
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but you know, it's just we
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a regular parent and daughter would have
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more. Oh for sure, Yeah, you miss a lot. And our

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generation, our husbands went to Vietnam, and at that time they were gone

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for an entire year for one tour, and if they did more tours,

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they were really gone a lot,
very hard on a family. Let's now,

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okay, you graduate, your counter
intelligence spy were allowed to tell your

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family what you were doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we you

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know, I say spy because that's
ultimately what I was, right, But

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at the time you have all of
like the lingo that you say. So

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I'm a counterintelligence each and I collect
information, you know, But the reality

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is is I'm going out and trying
to find out things that I must supposed

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to find out. And if the
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what they would call me. They'd
call me a spy. So you know,

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I could tell people what I was
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most everybody. This is the funny
part, January, is most people don't

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believe me. So I'll say,
oh, yeah, it was a spy

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in the army. You're like,
whatever, you can't say that I just

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did it. I never believed me. Yeah, you were more I would

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say, over versus covert, and
so that would be a big difference,

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and they will be doing so okay, So you are then your family knows

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about it in a probably a general
sort of way, not too many details.

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Where were you, What was your
first assignment and what was that Like?

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I went to Germany, and so
in Germany it was sort of like

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the leftovers of the Cold War area
era, you know, like worred work

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to put us there. Cold War
kind of divided out where we did things,

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and counter intelligence people have a mission
when they're in garrison, when they're

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a home in Germany, and so
I fell in on that mission and started

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just learning what I needed to learn. They put me in operations and so

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I was at the headquarters of our
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was available to do whatever was needed, which a lot of times honestly,

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was was chores, you know,
trim the hedges, go clean up this,

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take all this junk to the dump, a lot of that kind of

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stuff. But my peers were out
in field offices. They were wearing suits,

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they were using their badges, they
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clearance investigation. So they were doing
a lot of things there. And again

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here's me chomping at the bit.
I'm not here to be cutting hedges.

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I'm here to dominate. How do
I dominate? And you gotta imagine this

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thoroughbred bounding around in a paddock like
what can I do? And they didn't

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know what to make of me,
you know. So yeah, okay,

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so you were in Germany cutting hedges
and then when did it start getting exciting?

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it is fun. And so when
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they called this a stractical unit.
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practice area of our lanes where we

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would work, but we would do
strategic work. So we'd be in our

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green uniforms running around kind of fake
in it because because the truth is counter

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intelligence agents aren't all that like hardcore, you know, we don't like to

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be dirty, right. Then you'd
wipe off the paint if you'd put me

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on your face or whatever, and
you put on some civilian clothes and then

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you would drive into a town.
The town was a Schopfenberg, and so

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we would go and do operations where
we would do like meats and surveillance training

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and counter surveillance training and stuff like
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I because I was in operations,
I ended up being a role player.

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So my time on operations sucked for
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job. But when I went into
the field, I had all of these

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pros who had done this job for
a long time, and they would come

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to meet me Pete the mayor from
a Schoffenberg, And so I'd be in

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a little cafe drinking my drinking my
hot chocolate all day and I would watch

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and I would learn from them how
they were running sources. And I kind

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of gathered all of their their tricks
and their trades and we would do a

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debrief afterwards, and I would ask
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I learned so much by having all
of these repetitions that my peers didn't get

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because they got maybe one or two
meets. I got a hundred of them.

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Okay, so you weren't just dipping
your toe, You weren't jumping right

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into the Yeah, okay, we're
going to take another break. But when

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we come back, I want you
to tell the story about how the Taliban

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Turner bud Way. Pete, you
were in California. So you didn't go

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back to settle in Bozeman or Missoula, did you? No, no,

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no, no, Yeah. I
went back to California and then and then

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I joined the Army from Oakland.
They left and serve Yeah, yeah,

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okay. So then after Germany I
would assume your next exsignment might have been

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Afghanistan. Well, we went to
Bosnia during my Germany anytime as part of

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the day and piece of cords that
were designed to hold that Bosnian Serbian peace.

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So that was that. During my
time in Germany, I was there

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for two years, and half of
that time ish I spent over in the

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in the area for Bosnia. And
that was deep because I got to actually

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do my job and leave the camp
every day to go determine, you know,

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how the piece was holding. And
it's a very unique time in military

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history where the spies with the tip
of the spirit. It was our job

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to go out and find out what
you know, because that's on infantry people,

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that's not tanks. They hadn't they
had no fight at all. It

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was us that we had to go
out and determine these things. And it

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was really it was a time for
me to really get you talk about diving

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deep. That's diving in deep right
there, because we didn't know how dangerous

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it was going to be. So
I got a chance to do spy work

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every single day. Oh how exciting. First, before we talk about Saddam

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and the Taliban, did you when
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to how did they match you up? Could you choose who you wanted or

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were you assigned or how did they
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don't I don't know how that process
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to use interpreters and they would provide
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part, I tried to use the
person I was given, because there's a

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finite amount of them, and I
looked at it as my job to teach

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my interpreter how we were going to
work together. And I got better and

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better and better and better at this
as I got more experienced. And I

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just actually had a show yesterday and
we were talking quite a bit about interpreters,

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because how we treat them usually is
pretty negative. And so I'm like,

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I'm to do that this person and
I have to go do very dangerous

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work. I need them to trust
me that I'm looking out for them,

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and I need them to speak in
a way that allows them to get the

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information that we need. And so
my question may not be the right question,

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and they know culturally what direction to
go and how to navigate that conversation.

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And so I focused early on on
developing my relationship with my interpreters and

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being fierce on their side, because
frankly, Americans, first off, we

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call them terps. They don't like
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Dave, call them interpreters, but
don't don't just minimize them to just the

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word terp and then look down on
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of time with those guys trying to
understand what it was like to be them,

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and so I can improve their condition
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even though we were hard constantly and
it was dangerous, that they knew that

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I had respect for them and wouldn't
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did some of those relationships continue after
you left them? Well, yeah,

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there are a number of interpreters that
I still talk to to this day.

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Absolutely. Oh that's wonderful. Okay, Now, so where were you?

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What country were you in when the
I'll have the hand requested to speak to

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you by name, which would terrify
me. So I want to hear about

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it. Yeah. First off,
I didn't know that this was going to

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happen. And I was in Afghanistan, and I was in a little village

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way off the main routes. We're
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I was on a little army outpost. But and our outpost had a security

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bubble of let's say, three hundred
yards. Anything inside of that, no

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one was going to get too crazy
because they would lose that fight. But

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as soon as you got more than
about a quarter mile away, things got

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different, right, And there was
a lot less security and safety. We

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still went out every day. But
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to provision through air drops, you
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you know, once a week and
drop stuff down into us. That's how

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remote. So we're working with this
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and you know, we'd made a
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like while they while they Taliban bed
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hard, working hard, and developing
influence. And so one of the days,

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my buddy Rich and I we were
working and the governor said, hey,

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I want you guys to go down
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We'll just say the name Dave.
We're going to go to Dave's house,

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Dave the farmer. Dave's obviously in
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it Dave. So we're going to
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of farmers and do the standard conversation
thing that we always do. Oh,

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that's great, we'd love to do
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was in any way set up it
all. So the next day we walk

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off the camp walk to the government
center. We're walking closer and closer to

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the edge of our control. Right, that doesn't mean that army wasn't watching

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and looking out for us, but
we didn't know there'd be any more on

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alert. So they just knew that
we were going a couple and really it's

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a couple of houses away their farmhouses, so there's some distance. But you

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sit down meeting talking all these farmers, and we just do what we normally

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do. And again we're overt and
so I'm hiding what I'm doing. I'm

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being honest about it. I'm here
to help understand you guys. I want

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to get the Americans so that they
understand, you know, all these things

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that I do. And the meeting
was over, and Rich and I walked

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home, and then the next day
the governor, you know, we go

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down to see him and he's like, hey, I've got to tell you

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guys something. That meeting yesterday at
Dave's house, Well, a Taliban set

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that up and they wanted to assess
you guys and decide what they were going

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to do. And I'm like,
Jesus, I had no say in this

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other than just to set it up
because that's what was required. And he's

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like, this is They like you
and rich. They see that you respect

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Afghan ways, that you're not trying
to change us, and that you,

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you know, were men of letters, they educated and so they highly respected

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that. And they gave us a
license to operate in that area, and

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you know, and ultimately that's good. That's a mark that the word,

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the way I approach this works because
I'm not trying to I am trying to

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help people. I'm trying to reduce
threat in the area. I am trying

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to help us build up their government
to their benefit. And so, yes,

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I'm concerned about bombs. Yes,
I'm concerned about bad guys. Yes

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I want to meet them and make
them my friends. But I don't start

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00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.960
with that. That's not like I
don't walk around town going where are the

410
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.200
bombs? Where the bad guys?
Where are the bombs? Were the bad

411
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:29.440
guys? Because you'll never teach those
guys that way. Wow, that's uh.

412
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.599
I mean if someone if they had
requested me by name, I would

413
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.960
have freaked out because I would have
wanted to know how did they find my

414
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.680
name? How did they know me? But since you were oh, I

415
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.960
wanted to know my name? Yeah, yeah, you were very I wanted

416
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:47.680
to know my name. Yeah,
you were very accessible to them. That's

417
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.599
a great story though. And then
also I want you to share with us

418
00:30:52.599 --> 00:31:02.039
a little bit about you used a
source who was a former UH assassin working

419
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:10.400
for Saddam husseying now a hell of
a good translator for that. I did

420
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:11.799
have a very good translator for that. I do want to say this.

421
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.319
I want the enemy to know my
name. I'm the same guy, so

422
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.759
the same guy that talks to the
colonel is the same guy that talks with

423
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.440
the Taliban. And so I love
it when the army comes running up from

424
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.599
the intelligence shop and like Pete,
Pete, they know your name, They've

425
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.720
seen We've got to find Pete and
kill him. And I'm like, yes,

426
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.519
this is good because it means that
I'm on the field because my job

427
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.400
is not allowed to be safe.
Safety is not the thing I get.

428
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.079
I have to push myself out and
interact with the enemy in a way that

429
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.279
causes them to react to my presence. And if I don't have that,

430
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.359
but I've not done my job.
So I want them to know my name.

431
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.599
I want them to see me working. And I wanted to be like,

432
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:49.119
oh yeah that dude, Yeah,
we know him. God, he's

433
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.400
really influential, a network of friends. So that's that's the close the loop

434
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:59.519
on that. So with that in
mind, I'm in a rock working with

435
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.599
my the team I'm on and I
don't feel like I know anybody, and

436
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.440
I'm just there to help and just
trying to figure out how to be renew

437
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.960
to a rock and everything. And
we go over to the seal camp and

438
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.799
we're talking to the seals and one
of their chiefs looks at me. He

439
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:14.400
was like, I know you,
and I'm like, you don't know me,

440
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:15.839
man, everybody knows me. He's
like, no, I know you.

441
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.119
And so we figured out that he
had gone to a course that I

442
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.200
was an instructor at it. It
was a spy course and he had gone

443
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.440
and he's like, you were awesome. You were great. And so here's

444
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.799
what we're gonna do. We're gonna
leave and I'm gonna give you Johnny Walker.

445
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.200
He's an interpreter and he is fantastic. We're gonna want him back,

446
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.680
but we don't want that, we
don't want special Forces to get him.

447
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.279
So you guys, use him.
He'll be fantastic for you. And so

448
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.640
Johnny and my team and I we
all worked and we used Johnny, and

449
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.920
Johnny introduced us to this assassin and
that guy was just as Look, he's

450
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:51.759
a regular person, but his job
was horrible. And so if you remember

451
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.240
in The Departed, Jack Nicholson is
shooting people on the beach right at the

452
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.640
very beginning of the movie and he
laughs, how the one lady when he

453
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.279
killed it, how she felt funny. Well, this dude in the Rock

454
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.319
he said that to me before The
Departed, and he said, yeah,

455
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.480
so I remember one time I was
shooting these women and their kids and they

456
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.599
would fall and it was just hilarious
how they felt. And I'm like,

457
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:19.480
this is a cold, cold person
about the people killed. But you've got

458
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.359
to meet nasty, evil people to
prevent nasty evil things from happening, and

459
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.680
you got to turn them into your
friends. And so that's again like I'm

460
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.480
not afforded safety in my job.
I have to go meet these people.

461
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.400
I have to tolerate them because if
I don't, well, then they're left

462
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.640
to their own devices. At least
then I'm negotiating with this person. I'm

463
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.640
trying to calm them down. I'm
trying to access their network so that hopefully

464
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:45.240
I can do. It just started
curiosity, he said, Johnny Walker,

465
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.559
do they give the name all these
names? Are they all names of liquors?

466
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.440
No, it just he liked to
drink and that was his persona,

467
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:58.359
and so they gave him a name. You know, all the interpreters have

468
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.519
some kind of name to protect them. So I've worked with a guy named

469
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.720
Cheetah, a guy named Jaguar,
a guy named for a guy named night

470
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.199
Train. Night Train could be boozed, but he wasn't called back because of

471
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.960
that. He was more about his
lifestyle. Yeah, that's the military way

472
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:20.800
of doing it. It's your call
name. We're now retired many many years,

473
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:27.360
and we're in a group called the
dav Disabled American Veterans and we meet

474
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.280
through the year and month and do
things together. And they all have call

475
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:37.000
names, you know, and that's
what they go by. They don't use

476
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.880
their real name. Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of used to it.

477
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.800
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us today, Pete Turner. Pete, just before we close out, I

505
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:21.360
love having you here and I enjoy
talking to you so much. But let's

506
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:30.440
talk about the International Institute for Non
Proliferation Studies. That's a long time I

507
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:37.440
yes, which I could say a
lot faster. What it is is a

508
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:45.679
think tank, right, and what
different? So here's the thing. The

509
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.119
first thing I did was that changed
the damn name of that place. So

510
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.960
it's the ground truth center. Simple. Yeah, So we still want to

511
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:57.079
worry about non proliferation of nuclear weapons, which apparently is still a thing,

512
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.079
and we still for sure want to
focus on reducing the amount of corruption that

513
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.480
we cause and how it impacts us. But really what we're talking about is

514
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.039
is linking the ground truth people like
me, people who have to go out

515
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:14.920
and be the point of contact for
US foreign policy or any kind of national

516
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.480
policy, whether it's education or health
or whatever it is. The people like

517
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.239
me who go out and they are
like, what you guys think is going

518
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.039
to happen and what I'm able to
accomplish here, these are not the same

519
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:29.360
thing. So I'm trying to close
that gap between the academic theory, between

520
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:35.280
the legislator, the diplomat, all
of the people who are making these choices,

521
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.039
answering these questions how do we improve
something, and the actual mechanic at

522
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.320
the bottom, who's going to be
like, hey, your idea is adorable,

523
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.679
but around here that's never going to
work. Here is what I can

524
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.079
do right, And so hopefully that
communicative path, if I can link it,

525
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.440
we can make better decisions and have
better expectations and more properly trained.

526
00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.800
That mechanic to go out and do
things because it's more closely tied to reality.

527
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.679
That's what the goal of the Ground
Truth Center is. And with that

528
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:10.760
comes smaller, less less ideologically based, Like what's practically what can we do

529
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.639
practical today to make the strategic goal
get fed a little win, a little

530
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:17.880
win, after a little win,
after a little win, as opposed to

531
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.119
let's go spend one hundred and twenty
million dollars on building this building and then

532
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.440
have nothing of it. You know, that's so wasteful. Let's let's reduce

533
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:32.119
that, Okay. And is this
like do you meet in a place or

534
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.159
is it all done on the internet? Or how do you how many people

535
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:43.159
participate? How do you come up
with policies? Yeah, so I don't

536
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.119
want to come up with policies.
I want to help people that are trying

537
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.920
to come up with policies. So, like, if we're going to deal

538
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:51.480
with homelessness, I want the governor
to call me and say, Pete,

539
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:54.000
we want to deal with homelessness.
We know that case management is a vital

540
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:58.719
piece of this. We want to
make sure that we have a relevant solution

541
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.679
or a policy that's going to include
you know, it's like when you have

542
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.800
stakeholders, right, you know,
like, Okay, we're having a stakeholder

543
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.000
meeting, and I'm like, where
are the customers, you know? Or

544
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.679
where are the iraqis Like we're making
these decisions, where are the people who

545
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.760
have to bear the brunt of that
decision? And that is what we're trying

546
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.880
to do. So it's think tinky
in nature, but more I'm trying to

547
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:27.920
be consultative approach to trying to improve
our decision making so that when we provision

548
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.599
things that it's it's a little more
accurate. I'm not saying anything bad about

549
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.760
anybody in this whole process. Everybody's
trying their best. Everybody's trying to solve

550
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.920
big, complicated problems. But what
I've seen from my own first hand experience

551
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.239
is that we aren't any good at
it because we have no idea. I

552
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.920
call it the space the spaceship.
Right, if no one ever leaves the

553
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.719
spaceship and they're trying to decide how
so much would farm on the ground,

554
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.519
that's impossible. You can't do that. So you need people that can talk

555
00:40:54.559 --> 00:41:00.239
to the farmers to help the spaceship
say oh, oh, this is how

556
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.280
we help the farmer. I would
help the farmers all the time. I

557
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.119
would do this all of the times, the area where I'd go out and

558
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:07.960
I would say, what's the smallest
thing we could do today, like we

559
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:13.199
want you to hire foreign labor to
bring your crop in? And then the

560
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.280
Iraqi farmer would laugh in my face, I write down on my book,

561
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.599
laughed in my face. And then
he would say, there's no amount of

562
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.960
crop that my family can't bring in. It's impossible. I will always have

563
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:27.599
another cousin. I will never hire
an outsider. And I'm like, okay,

564
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.480
now, whether that changes, that's
not to me. But what I

565
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.719
can tell the spaceship is, hey, they will never hire migrant workers to

566
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.519
bring in a crop. That's not
a thing around here, you know.

567
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.800
So that's sort of the idea,
is to shrink that gap between the policy

568
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.599
and the practitioners. Yeah, and
to find out what's really going on on

569
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:52.480
the ground that the other people are
probably as you said, they're in spaceships,

570
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:58.320
they're too remote. Before we close
out, share your thoughts on what's

571
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.480
going on in the world now with
the two wars that our country is dealing

572
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:13.119
with. What thoughts you know,
it's any understanding from mission probably doesn't know

573
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.679
enough. We all have our things
that we want to have happen, and

574
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.760
we have our bets, but ultimately
we just don't know. I mean,

575
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.800
Russia is not going to stop,
and Ukraine is not going to want them

576
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:27.639
to not They're not going to stop, and so we have to figure out

577
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.719
how do we get this war to
stop. This war is horrible, and

578
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.079
what we often lose track of is
that there are people that are dying every

579
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.639
day. They are primarily dying in
both countries, and that means women are

580
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.519
going to be subjugated and put in
a horrible situation. So it's not just

581
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.079
the death, it's the next twenty
years of what happens to these people as

582
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.039
they try to dig out of a
hole. And that makes it to me

583
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:54.480
like the bigger thing is just the
inhumanity in our policies and our approach to

584
00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:00.000
things. It's terrible that this war
has gone on this long and there's people

585
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:06.000
using the theories and the policies to
try to exact a win, but it's

586
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.199
at the cost of a lot of
a lot of human lives. So I

587
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:13.039
would sa ultimately the Russia conflict ends
at some point, hopefully this year.

588
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:16.239
I'm hoping and that America and Russia
will sit down and the negotiate some kind

589
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:20.400
of deal, and some piece of
Ukraine will probably break off and go to

590
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.519
Russia, as I think the most
likely scenario today, and I hope it's

591
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.199
not a bigger piece because Russia is
still trying to push in and you know,

592
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:34.239
we we're Americans. We've seen one
hundreds and millions of dollars, brillions

593
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.880
of dollars in the last twenty five
years. You go out to no effect,

594
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:39.000
and so I think people are sick
of that. So I don't know

595
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.360
that a whole lot of Congress people
are like, Hey, I really want

596
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.639
to send five hundred billion dollars to
Ukraine, you know, followed by reconstruction.

597
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.079
Oh my god. You know.
So I don't know what's going to

598
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:54.360
happen, but it's contentious as hell, and the Israel Hamas fight. I

599
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.440
think the best person to look at
for guidance on this is a guy named

600
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.519
John Spencer. He's a friend of
mine, and he focuses on urban warfare,

601
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.760
and a lot of the narratives that
come out of that fight are inaccurate

602
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.559
and they don't paint an even picture. If you find yourself hard on one

603
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:14.599
side or the other of this fight, you're probably not dealing in reality.

604
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.079
I would say it's tough to say
that, but the reality is this is

605
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.639
war or involves a lot of people
dying, and neither side wants to quit.

606
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.480
So, like I always say,
the fastest way to get to peace

607
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:30.440
in this fight is for Hamas to
say we surrender. Here are all of

608
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:35.159
the kidnapped people that we have.
They're not going to do that. They

609
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.480
haven't had will knocked out of them
yet, right, and Israel certainly is

610
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.760
going to stop. And so when
we talk about all these other things like

611
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.400
that is the crux of is Hamas
started this particular war. They did it

612
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.159
as gruesomely and as horribly as possible, and so the only way for it

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to stop is for Israel to either
be all of the fight out of Hamas

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or Hamas to say, okay,
we're done getting all of these negative things.

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But you don't see either side wanting
to do that because they still got

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a lot of fighting them. Oh
yeah, yeah. It's just it's it's

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like the uh, proverbial impossible thing
to solve. There's no there's no right

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and wrong, and I can I
think most people can see that there's two

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sides. Maybe not so much with
Russia, but in the Middle East there's

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definitely two sides, and they both
are fighting so hard. It's just a

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very sad, sad situation. I'm
a letter side. I'm going to ask

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you a question. I asked all
my guests before we sign off, And

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if you could and by someone to
dinner besides me, living or dead,

624
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who would you like to have dinner
with? Uh? You know what,

625
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I never got to face to face
meet my grandfather. I've learned a lot

626
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about him. I've actually got a
pile of his letters right here from World

627
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War Two. I'm slowly putting his
story together. So it would be great

628
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to have that conversation with him.
I think we would have because of my

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unique experience in war. You know, the one of my family has as

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much more experience as I do.
So when I get a chance to talk

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to him, they always have all
these questions and he is the one person

632
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that has a significant amount and so
it'd be great to talk here. Oh

633
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.639
yeah, yeah, that's a great
question. I mean great answer because everyone

634
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thanks speaking famous people. Yeah,
but that's a very that's a very personal,

635
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special answer, and thank you for
sharing that with us, and thank

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you so much for coming on the
show the podcast with me today. I've

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enjoyed having you and I think we've
learned a little bit from you, and

638
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:53.679
I hope you'll come back again anytime. Oh wonderful. Okay, dear listeners,

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I hope you've enjoyed our time together
today. We tried to be very

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informative, evan inspiring. Today.
My upcoming guests will all be eclectic,

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exciting, and energizing, just the
way Pete was today. So much fun.

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Now, my eighty year old thought
for the day, Enjoy, Enjoy,

643
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enjoy. It may be later than
you think, or it maybe now

644
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or never, my dear friends,
So for now, thank you for entering

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the no Wine zone and share our
stories and our show with everyone you know.

646
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Remember you need to stop whining right
now and then start smiling the way

647
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Pete does. And that doesn't work, then you can just go out chocolate,

648
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lots and lots pleasure. Signing off
from the Glitter Granny, Take care

649
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and stay safe until we meet again. Bye bye. We want to thank

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you for listening to January Jones sharing
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