January Jones Sharing The Killers of The Flower Moon-Osage Story

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Who is January Jones. She is
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is a hugemerist and whyologist expert.
She is your featured host today on January

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Jones sharing success stories. So sit
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life's lessons. These stories plus sharing
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of January Jones. Hello everyone, I

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hope you're having a lovely day.
I'm January Jones, and I want to

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welcome you to my recently renamed podcast, January Jones Sharing Senior Success. As

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most of you know, I recently
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honor being a senior by including all
the other seniors up there in the title

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of this podcast. However, never
fear, I'm still the glitter Granny and

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as you can see, I glitter
all over. Now, for my listeners,

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let me ask you a question.
Have you seen the movie that was

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made from the book The Flowers from
the Killer Moon. Yeah, I just

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saw it recently and it was incredible, amazing. Do you know or have

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you heard anything about the Osage people? Now, this is the Indian tribe

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that was featured in the book and
the movie. Would you like to learn

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more about where they settled and what
their history is like and their story?

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Can you imagine what it'd be like
living on a reservation. However, their

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reservation wasn't the normal reservation you tend
to think of on their reservation. They

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discovered oil and they became actually some
of the wealthiest people in this country.

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Would you wish you could meet someone
who's an expert about the osage and tell

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us more about it. If you
would like to meet that person, you

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can answer yes, and you maybe
do any of the questions I've asked you,

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and you are in the right place, and I'd like to welcome you

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to January Jones sharing senior success stories. Time to gress, relax, go

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get some cheese, get some crackers, settle down, and let me tell

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you about my guest. My Guest
is an award winning writer. He is

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the author of the upcoming book Unsung
Heroes Wear No Cakes Twelve Essential Virtues for

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an Extraordinary Life. That's a pretty
amazing title. I really like it.

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He explores the concept of what it
really means to be a helper of others.

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He maintains that everyone is capable of
being an unsung hero with a little

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inspiration and direction, using the character
virtues we each possess. His book is

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available at Amazon dot Com, Barnes
and Noble, Walmart, and independent bookstores

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everywhere. It's my pleasure to Welcome
to our podcast today, Jim B.

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North. Hi, Jim, Hello
January. I'm really happy to be on

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your show. I promise I will
not whine. Yeah, well that's a

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prerequisite. Yes. Before we begin
talking about the sage, let's share a

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little bit about you. Share with
my listeners where you were born, and

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a little bit about who your early
mentors were and how you became such a

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great writer. Oh well, thank
you. I was born in Michigan,

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in the thumb of the mitton Mount
Clemens, Michigan. And I actually met

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someone recently out here in Oklahoma that
was born in the same hospital. That

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was remarkable. So it was near
Detroit, and I grew up in Michigan

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and Ohio, back and forth,
back and forth, you know, every

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two or three years we moved because
my dad was a pastor, and so

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I was out to prove him,
prove everyone wrong that peks are not goodye

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like everyone thought. So I was
pretty successful at shattering that preconceived notion.

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And you know, I married at
age twenty two, and I have three

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grown kids and four grandkids. And
Oklahoma, though, became home after a

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professional career in management and leadership and
different things like that. I also had

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areas of service I did after several
years, many years as a kid's pastor,

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even which was very rewarding. But
I've been here in Oklahoma for many,

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many years, and I had a
change of trajectory, and that was

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in my educational path, and so
I obtained my bachelor's degree in professional writing

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and my master's degree in professional writing
and journalism and mass communications. And the

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opportunities that sprouted from that had just
been off off the chain, and so

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I did some work with the tribes. A lot of people don't know there

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are thirty nine federally recognized tribes in
the state of Oklahoma today, and there

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are five hundred something in the nation. Oh my gosh, Now that is

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so true. Not many people know
that or know any thing about them,

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you know. Interestingly enough, I
was born in Detroit, so I was

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born a Michigander, really, and
then I went off and married a guy

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from Ohio. Well you know what
I mean. I married a woman from

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Ohio. Yeah, we'll see.
We have to cheer for the Buckeyes now,

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So we're Ohio state fans here.
And guess what I am I know

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from that the state up north.
Yes, I'm Mentiongan Wolverine fans. So

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yeah, Ohio, you can't even
say the words, not aloud. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Now Indians I
heard, you know, we'd read

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about in our history books vaguely.
There wasn't a lot out there. And

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it's incredible that you chose to write
this story. And it's once you see

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the movie, it just gives you
and read the book. There's just such

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a concept. Oh my gosh,
what they went through. This was not

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people didn't know about this, did
they? Oh No, I mean really,

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I lived out here in Oklahoma for
a few decades and did not know

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their story, even though the o
Sage County was only forty minutes away from

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me. Oh wow. But their
history is absolutely incredible and will you will

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do a favor to Native American no
matter what tribe, if we understand more

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of their story, you can make
a difference in the life as a Native

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American by hearing them and recognizing some
of what they've been through. Yeah.

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What I found so amazing and interesting
was that they go as far back as

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four hundred BC. Yes, who
knew, Yes, in Pennsylvania that was

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their original homelands four to five hundred
BC. During the following centuries. In

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Millennia, they settled in the woodlands, mainly the Ohio River. Their lands

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took in not only Pennsylvania, but
some of Ohio and Illinois and Indiana.

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They traveled though back and forth across
the Mississippi. When it came strawberry moon

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time, they would go hunting across
the Mississippi for buffalo and then they would

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come back, back and forth,
back and forth. Okay, so what

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is a strawberry moon? Well,
I mean, I've read a little bit

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about it. It's I'm really not
recalling it exactly right now, but it

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meant they were it was time for
them to go hunt. Okay, Okay,

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that was their too so to speak. Well, right now, we're

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going to take a break. And
I'm so pleased to have Jim on the

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show because he assures me he is
not a whiner. But if you know

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You can find Thou Shall Not Wine
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to our new friend Jim from Oklahoma, and Jim, I'd like you to

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share with our listeners your website information
and your book and where they can get

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it. My website is Jimbanorth dot
com, so it's jimb nrth dot com.

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The links to Amazon, Barnes and
Noble, and Walmart are on my

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website. Unsung heroes wearno capes.
Twelve essential virtues for an extraordinary life.

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It's meant to inspire people and to
really raise their vision who they are,

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who they can be. There's an
unsung hero story in every single chapter,

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but there's also encouragements and exhortations in
every chapter. Oh okay, that's a

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great title. I really like that
title, and make sure think a little

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bit. That's very good. When
you were doing this research, how did

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you what's your main source? How
did you research this book? Oh?

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I just dug into articles and just
everything I could get my hands on.

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If you wanted me to set the
story up, I can do so by

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reading an article from the New York
Times that occurred back in the nineteen twenties.

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Oh yeah, I'd love to hear
that. Okay, this will set

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the story, and then I can
go back and build it up to that

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point. You know what I mean. So this is where it ends.

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But what happened to bring it to
this point? It's so important to know

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their removal story. Why did they
come to Oklahoma to start with? Yeah,

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but here's what the New York Times
had to say. And this was

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in nineteen twenty six January seventeenth Seldom
in the long history the white men's dubious

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dealings with the Indian has there been
such a determined combination of craft and violence.

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White men and women have married members
of the wealthy tribe, Others have

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become beneficiaries of heavily insured Indians.
The devices for transferring oil royalties into white

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hands have been infinite. Before oil
was discovered, the O Sage nation lived

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in peace on its meager lands,
held under treaty with Uncle Sam, and

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unmolested by the white man. But
when petroleum began to gush from the Indians

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hills, a throng of whites appeared
on the scene. And ever since that

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time, the courts of the little
town of Pahusca have been overwhelmed with lawsuits

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and criminal cases, while one after
another of the heads of rich Indian families

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has been the victim of murder.
So that was recognized at the time what

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was going on, you know,
in eighteen eighty nine became the Oklahoma land

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run. Why because of the discovery
of oil. You know, I think

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that everyone should understand, maybe some
know, maybe not to the extent that

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we should know, that the Indians
were exiled to Oklahoma before it became a

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state. It was a sentence.
You know, you guys can live here

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because it's undesirable land. No one
else till the oil. Yeah. So,

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do you want me to give a
bit of background on where they came

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from and how they got to Oklahoma, Yes, for sure. And I'm

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curious to know how big of the
how how much land did they act actually

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have, what did they live on? How many one point six or so

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million acres is what they purchased from
the US government. Oh, now,

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the thing I have to be conscious
of time. But the thing is they

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were rattled around like a pinball because
they were removed from the woodlands of their

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homeland east of the Mississippi. They
were exiled to west of the Mississippi through

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treaties. The treaties kept, they
were unending. You know, they kept

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having to give up this land and
give up that land, and you know,

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it was ridiculous. Once they settled
near Saint Louis, the Kahokia Mounds,

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many tribes were living in that city. It was thriving city at the

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time. But the new homelands of
the os Age became Arkansas and Missouri and

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Kansas and Oklahoma. Now at the
time though, it wasn't Oklahoma, right,

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I wasn't until nineteen oh seven.
Yeah, But the treaties of cessation

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of land occurred in eighteen oh eight, eighteen eighteen, eighteen twenty five,

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eighteen thirty nine. It was never
enough what they had to give up,

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and all total, they say the
seeding of land by the oce Age was

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I think it was over time,
one hundred million acres, okay, when

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you take it all together, and
like, who actually how did they discover

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that they had oil? Did someone
come in and drill or was it?

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Okay? Well, to answer that
question, I give you the fact that

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they were I am having to go
back to come up to that point,

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okay, because they had to give
up they were already in Oklahoma, you

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know, Indian territory. It wasn't
Oklahoma, okay. They were already there

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in Missouri and Arkansas and so forth. But by the time of the eighteen

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thirties, it's won the Trail of
Tears, right, and so you had

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all these tribes coming west. Well, the o Sage were already in Indian

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Territory, and the Cherokee through the
Trail of Tears. They were the last

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tribe removed from the east and they
had to settle in Indian territory, which

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was already occupied by the O Sage. So this became a conflict too.

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You know, all these tribes had
to share space all of a sudden.

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But these treaties were meant to be
in perpetuity forever, Wow, until the

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next treaty, you know, which
you never knew when the next one was

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coming. But they kept having to
give up land. So they gave up

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Try to give a really quick synopsis
here. They had to give up the

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Indian territory when the Cherokee came by
eighteen thirty nine. They were removed to

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Kansas, Kansas City, until it
became known by the white settlers that hey,

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Kansas City is good farmland, we
want that. Well, then they

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had to leave Kansas City. Another
treaty. Yes, and so they're like

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throwing their hands up the Oceage.
It's like, okay, let's find some

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land nobody wants, absolutely nobody.
Oh. So this is the way that

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it was told to me by the
O Sage tribal member the Irish Wow.

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Their warriors were sent out on horseback
after having to leave Kansas City, Kansas

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they became known as the Osage Diminished
Reserve in the southeast part of Kansas.

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They kept shrinking and shrinking and shrinking, and said, they said, okay,

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let's find some land nobody wants.
And so they sent out their warriors

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on horseback who shot there through their
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spears came down, if it did
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it was not good farmland. Oh
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So that happened in northeast or north
Oklahoma. The spears wouldn't stick in

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the ground anymore. So this is
the land we want. Okay, nobody's

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gonna want it. The Cherokee didn't
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US government. The US government sold
it to the Osage. Oh wow,

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Well where did they get the money
to buy this land from the government?

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If they call the treaties gave them
some enough money to buy it. Oh

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okay. You can imagine the sale
price. It's not great, yeah,

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not a great deal. Yeah.
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it didn't cost much to acquire land
in northern Oklahoma that nobody wanted. Yeah.

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I think it was like two hundred
thousand dollars. Yeah, okay,

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so what possibly would be their game
plan? Once they got that plan that

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no one else wanted, how were
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you know, I mean I don't
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historian on it, but you know, they had they they were survivors.

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I mean, these O Sage are
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you know, they have pride in
who they are and they should. Yes,

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you know, it was what was
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it was their tribal sovereignty as people. It was taken away and taken away

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and taken away. They were beaten
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But anyway, by the time eighteen
eighty seven rolled around, the government realized,

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hey, we kind of want this
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eighty nine these were called the Niners. It's the Oklahoma Land Run. Imagine

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this. Now, I've run the
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you have ten thousand people at the
start line, right, yeah, I've

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done this. This is a true
and accurate picture that there were fifty thousand

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white settlers at the start gate when
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nine, Boomtown sprouted all over the
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Guthrie, which is the first capital
of Oklahoma, overnight went from zero population

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to ten thousand. Oh wow,
because of the Oklahoma land Run. But

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then oil was discovered in eighteen eighty
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I think it was, and overnight
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world per capita. Oh wow,
that is just amazing. You know.

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back is the part where they sent
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where they would learn you said,
they could stop speaking their language. And

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Read by mis Jones. Welcome back
with my guest Jim North, who

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is an expert and writer, and
he is an expert on the Osage Indians

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that have been featured recently in books
and movies. And this is a story

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that's really never been told until now, and it's such an important thing.

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As I was saying before we went
on break the part where these families were

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just separated and children were taken away
given back and what a demoralizing situation.

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And here they were with all this
money. Yeah yeah, well the boarding

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schools. Yes, the phrase ask
a Native American what they know about kill

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the Indians, save the man.
That was a phrase, Oh okay,

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kill the Indian, save the man. That means you don't kill the body,

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you simply kill the Indian inside.
Oh okay. That is, you

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don't let them speak their language,
you stripped them of their native traditions,

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you make them assimilate into white culture. And this was asked after the pattern

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of military boot camps. And you
can google Carlisle Indian schools, boarding schools

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and the atrocities are just oh yeah, astounding. Ye. So, once

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they had this oil and became wealthy, wealthy, how did the enter the

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marriages between the whites and the Indians, the men and the world. How

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did that come about? I'm sure
the Indians weren't happy about that, were

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they? What was that last part
you said that the tribe, say,

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the tribe would not be happy that
that was happening, and how did they

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allow it to happen? Right?
Well, it was these new acts by

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the government one and one was called
the Dawes Severalty Act of eighteen eighty seven,

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and the one following was the Indian
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In eighteen eighty seven, this was
an attempt by the government to break up

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the land of the o Sage.
Remember they purchased one point six million acres.

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It was owned and communally by the
tribe. Well, the Act of

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eighteen eighty seven was designed by the
government to break it up into one hundred

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and sixty acres head of household.
And so you can imagine if that's in

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eighteen eighty seven, and then by
eighteen ninety eight oil was discovered. Okay,

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now they want to go further.
And in nineteen oh six they negotiated

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some more because what they wanted to
do to do was create a surplus so

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the government could have it back,
you know, the whites could have it

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back. And they really believed that
the Indians, the Osage would become extinct,

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exterminated. It was a truly I'm
just going to go ahead and say

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it. It was a systematic genocide, okay, And no Native American is

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going to argue with you on that. And so they really believed they'd have

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the land back. They wanted to
create a surplus. It really didn't work.

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The Osage retained seventy five percent of
the land. So by nineteen oh

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six the Osage were a little bit
wiser and instead of head of household,

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they negotiated this where it would be
one hundred and sixty acres per person in

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the household that included babies. Okay, and so by nineteen twelve became the

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auctioning off of oil leases in Pahusca
of the O Sage allotments, whether it's

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a lease or a sale, and
one hundred and sixty get this right,

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one hundred and sixty million dollars of
options took place in Pahsca under the million

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dollar Elm and translated January, that
is two point five billion dollars today.

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Oh, so the land was desired
by the whites, the Boomer sooners,

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and I'm a graduate of the University
of Oklahoma. But the Native Americans don't

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really like the word sooner because of
what that association means to them. So

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would happen is a white person might
marry an O Sage woman Okay, gets

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a head right, and then kill
the woman. Wow, that's what we

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saw in the movie. I mean, absolutely cold happened. And I will

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say this too, the estimation of
the numbers of Osage that were murdered is

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way way way under what it should
be. It was hundreds, hundreds of

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murders. And this was called it. You know, this went over a

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span of time. But the O
Sage Reign of terror, you know,

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the I don't want to call it
a sweet spot, but what I'm saying

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is from nineteen twenty to nineteen twenty
four was it was in its prime.

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But the sale of the O Sage
release rights and property occurred from nineteen twelve

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even into like nineteen thirty, I
believe. Well, yeah, it was

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interesting to read about these families and
they would have car servants, rolls,

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rice that, Pierce Arrows, you
name it, and they were they'd have

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you know, ten twenty cars and
it was money, unbelievable money, and

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they all kind of went a little
crazy, didn't they. Yeah. One

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elder of the tribe that I got
to talk to told me this that they

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were so rich and so wealthy that
when they would buy one of those new

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cars like a Pierce Arrow or whatever, that the car dealers didn't tell them

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that all you had to do is
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they would run out of gas on
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go buy a new car until they
became wiser about that. Sure, you

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know they were called uncivilized. It's
really not true, January. It's just

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because you don't speak English. M
doesn't mean you're uncivilized, nor does it

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mean that you should be treated within
such inhumanity m hm No. And they

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basically had no representation as far as
the government and the country. Did they

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No, they didn't. They had
to fend for themselves for sure. Did

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they get when did they get to
vote? I don't know when the citizenship

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became available to the osage, but
yes, they white people knew they couldn't

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vote, and they were treated as
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it was mostly women that were being
killed. Well I don't have all the

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demographic on that. Yeah, but
it wasn't just women that were murdered.

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No, because I mean at the
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later, you were able if you
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head right of an oce age.
Let's let me give you another example,

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a man, a white man could
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then in this altered state of mind, have them sign away their head.

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Right. Oh okay, there's all
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Yeah. And the part where they
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was basically poison They were poisoning these
people to death in some instances. And

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you know, there's always this thought
where people think, well, you know

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Indians can't handle alcohol. Well,
they were getting killed with it. Yes.

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The tribal member that I spoke with
in Pawhuska, one of them told

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me that it became so dangerous that
you couldn't even ask someone over to your

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house without being afraid that someone was
going to be poisoned. So they would

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tell their guests, don't eat anything, don't drink anything here. I don't

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want you to be killed in my
house. Oh my gosh, oh wow,

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this is just a fascinating story.
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could you share some things that you
found in your research about the osage that

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most people would never know? Yeah, I mean, one interesting thing to

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me was how big. They were
centuries ago. Really, I mean I

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had no idea their warriors were seven
to nine feet tall. Wow. And

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this tribal member, I mean he
is well versed in their history and that

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they could walk one hundred miles a
day and I thought seven to nine feet

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tall and he said yes, and
I said, well, he explained what

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happened that they had to make another
treaty with the US government through selective breeding

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to stop to stop this. So
they didn't want them, and so I

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mean, they had their own process
for achieving this, but through a treaty,

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they agreed to stop through selective oh
breeding. To be that big,

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tell us the story about the pa
Husca how that came about. It means

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white hair and Pa Huska had an
encounter with George Washington before he became president.

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And this Indian warrior, O sage
warrior, was seven feet tall and

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George Washington was six feet foot three. And so this Indian went to like

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scalp him, hold his hair off, and it was a powdered wig.

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And so he's got in his hand
and he's screaming because he's never seen a

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powdered wig before. And so George
Washington is in a panic too, because

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the Indians in a panic. And
this is the way the story goes that

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George Washington ran with the powdered wigs
still in the O Sage's hand. Oh

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my gosh. Well, Huska is
the is the you know, the O

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Sage head home of the O Sage
Nation headquarters. It's it's anyone in the

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vicinity should go visit. Now they
know January, that it really January.

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It hasn't been that long ago,
you know that this all of this happens.

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So they know and forgive the term. But they're a little gun shy,

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yeah, of people still living in
their hills that are descendants of those

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that murdered them. Yeah. Yeah. So it is a tragic, tragic

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story. And they're in the process
of rebuilding their tribal sovereignty. And I

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believe that there are twenty four thousand
members of the O Sage tribe. They

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have their headquarters thriving, their language
is thriving. That was not successfully extinguished,

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nor their traditions. And I've talked
to many tribes, not just the

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Oceage, and they are in the
process of rebuilding what was taken by piecemeal

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and when you see the book and
read see the movie. In the book,

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you see this murders happening, mothers, sons, but brothers. I

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mean, this was just the whole
family was all affected. And you're like,

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your mother's been murdered, but you're
with your father who murdered your mother.

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And what a conflict for these young
people growing up in the tribe.

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Yeah, I mean for any of
us, couldn't we say the worst thing

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in the world is to not be
valued as person, right, to not

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be valued as a person, as
a as a tribe, your culture,

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your history, just who you are
in essence, this is inexcusable. The

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things that have happened. What are
the lessons that we can derive from that?

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And that is how are we treating
each other today? Do we really

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want to repeat history, the cruelty
or the inhumanity today that has transpired in

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the past. We do well to
learn the history lessons so that we're better

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persons, better contributors to the lives
of others and the vision of others.

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They have a vision for the future, they really do. Yeah. We

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lived in Payson, Arizona for nine
years, and they had the tribe there

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had a casino, and everyone in
the tribe had a portion of sheriff the

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casino, and so they were you
know, they all had pretty nice homes

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and an income. They had an
income. Do the O Sage have they

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opened up casinos? Yes, there
are a lot of casinos here in Oklahoma.

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Uh huh. Yeah, there is
an O Sage casino. I've been

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to it. You know, it's
a hotel. I didn't gamble there,

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but I did stay there for at
night. And it's near Skytook, sky

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Took, Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, this was a Tonto tribe.

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And then of course some of the
tribes they had some you know where

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they didn't get along, little rivalries
going on. Is that happened still in

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Oklahoma or is it just the Osage? Well, I'm not sure how to

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answer that question. The tribes that
I am aware of are doing well.

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And I've done research and stories and
interviews with not only the O Sage but

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the Coopa. Oh beautiful people,
flop flocko bry saying that one. But

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they're they were a part of the
creek. Let's Googee Creek. Okay,

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Okay. Also, I did research
on the Miami tribe. They started out

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in Indiana and they ended up out
here. Yeah, and then the Modoc

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And I want to give you a
thought here in a second. The Modoc

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came from California. What drove the
Modoc to northeast Oklahoma from California The eighteen

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forty nine gold rush. That's what. Oh, okay, all these tribes

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that you know ended up here in
Oklahoma. But guess what Oklahoma became a

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state in what year nineteen o seven. What do you think was the catalyst

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for the statehood of the United States
forty six state? It was oil and

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then they're hills. Yeah, that
was it. Yeah, Yeah, and

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gold from California, and you know
in Kansas it became good farmland. So

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you got to get them out of
there. If you're a Native American,

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you're kind of tired of being pushed
around, and they're not being pushed around

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anymore, but they're not understood.
You know. That's the step further that

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we can take today, is understand
Yeah, compassion. I mean the story

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where these people were being murdered and
buried, no cemetery, no grave,

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and they just disappeared, and they
were just doing that to hundreds and thousands

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probably It went into the millions.
Yeah, oh it did. I mean

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it's staggering to the conscience how many
millions of lives were lost. But I

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stood over the grave of a seven
year old and she was Her name was

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Rosie Jack was the first prisoner of
war sent in the iron horse box car

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of a train from California to Northeast
Oklahoma. Her dad was the chief and

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he lost his life with no trial. They already decided he was guilty.

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Oh that's a whole nother story.
But I stood over her grave. She

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was seven years old when she was
buried in Northeast Oklahoma. Her dad had

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been beheaded the year before. Yeah, this has been quite a history lesson

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and I hope our listeners are getting
something out of it because your message is

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very encouraging if people will hear it. And thank you so much for coming

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and sharing it with my listeners today, because this is something people just don't

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know about. However, I think
with the movie in book, this is

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going to be a big talk about
subject, and you were ahead of the

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curve on this one. Well,
I haven't even seen the movie yet,

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and I really can't wait to see
it. You know, I understand it's

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like three hours long, it'll be
worth every minute it was. You know,

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I couldn't take my eyes off the
screen, and usually I get bored

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in a movie that's over two hours, and this one was. Well.

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You had a great Martin SCORSESEI doing
it so that the Killers of the Flower

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Moon. Yeah, yeah, great, Okay, Thank you, Jim,

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and we'll have you back again for
another history lesson. Thanks January, it's

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been great. Thanks. I hope
you all have enjoyed our visit with Jim

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North today. Thank you for entering
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